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Honda Stream 2007 X-1.8L versus Toyota Wish X-1.8L (by mt88)

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Post by mt88 » Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:44 pm

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Woah! I hope its true. I would definitely be interested in getting the 2.4L Edix S if it ever makes it to town. That Edix would rock!


2.4 Edix S is confirm. No more 1.7L Edix for FL model, to be replaced by 2L.

Here is a spy photo taken from new Edix brochure in Japan.

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Post by Blackraven » Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:00 pm

mt88 wrote:
Honda Edix also gets my serious thumbs-up. It has a cozy 3x3 configuration plus big luggage area. Unfortunately the latest rumors from Japan say that the new R18A engine may not make it into the Facelift Edix. Instead Honda may use back the old 1.7L and add 2.4L engine into Edix S. :?


In regards to the Edix...

you can only get the R18A engine if you get it as an FR-V.

Apparently, only EUDM models for Europe get the R18 engine which replaces the 1.7 and 2.0L gasoline/petrol engines. Also with the R18, an automatic transmission in now available. 2.2 diesel still remains in the EUDM lineup.

So if you want an Edix/FR-V with the new 1.8 engine, you'd have to get it from the UK/Ireland but taxes are gonna skyrocket.

If you think that's too much, try going to Honda factory in Japan. Since EUDM models are made in Japan, you might wanna fly over there and ask for an RHD Edix/FR-V with a 1.8 liter engine. You'll HAVE to PAY MORE but it is still cheaper than getting it from Europe.

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Post by Blackraven » Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:14 pm

And regarding that upcoming 2.4L version....

it still uses the OLD K24 engine. I stay away from OLD engines. This car won't get the "green sticker" in Japan. :(

Too bad the "Advanced VTEC" engine (which is supposed to be better, faster yet more fuel efficient and lesser emissions than i-VTEC and old-school VTEC COMBINED) isn't due up until 2009.

Now that's the engine to be waiting for.

Also the same reason why I would never pick the current Murano. Why settle with VQ35DE (NEO) when VQ35HR is just a few weeks away (well at least for the facelift Skyline/Infiniti G35).

Same goes for Toyota's AZ series. Hoping for a replacement for the 5-year engine.

IMHO, after every 5 years, Japanese car manufacturers should make/design NEWER engines.

More torque, more speed, more power yet increased fuel economy with lesser vehicle emissions. :)

For automobile engines, NEWER IS ALWAYS BETTER :D

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Post by mt88 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:40 pm

Blackraven wrote:
In regards to the Edix...

you can only get the R18A engine if you get it as an FR-V.


So if you want an Edix/FR-V with the new 1.8 engine, you'd have to get it from the UK/Ireland but taxes are gonna skyrocket.

If you think that's too much, try going to Honda factory in Japan. Since EUDM models are made in Japan, you might wanna fly over there and ask for an RHD Edix/FR-V with a 1.8 liter engine. You'll HAVE to PAY MORE but it is still cheaper than getting it from Europe.


I think most of Singapore car buyers are pragmatic :). Anything that cost a lot more would not find buyers. So importers may not even bother to think about EU version. Btw, the 2L version is also not bad. It is only 200cc more. I guess most of Edix buyer here will choose the 2L Edix from Japan, bigger and cheaper :)

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Post by mt88 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:43 pm

Blackraven wrote:And regarding that upcoming 2.4L version....

it still uses the OLD K24 engine. I stay away from OLD engines. This car won't get the "green sticker" in Japan. :(

Too bad the "Advanced VTEC" engine (which is supposed to be better, faster yet more fuel efficient and lesser emissions than i-VTEC and old-school VTEC COMBINED) isn't due up until 2009.

Now that's the engine to be waiting for.

Also the same reason why I would never pick the current Murano. Why settle with VQ35DE (NEO) when VQ35HR is just a few weeks away (well at least for the facelift Skyline/Infiniti G35).

Same goes for Toyota's AZ series. Hoping for a replacement for the 5-year engine.

IMHO, after every 5 years, Japanese car manufacturers should make/design NEWER engines.

More torque, more speed, more power yet increased fuel economy with lesser vehicle emissions. :)

For automobile engines, NEWER IS ALWAYS BETTER :D


K24 has 4 emission stars or equal to EURO3.

New advance i-vtec probably will be fitted in the all new next generation Odyssey, Accord and Edix.

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Post by steamy-stream » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:27 pm

mt88 wrote:Black Ferio, Andy, Civic Cat, Manual Only and Others,

Thank you for dropping me your kind notes.


For all other Bros and Sis here,

Do leave me a note if you find this article useful or even NOT useful. So "maybe" next time I can incorporate the suggestions into the writings. Thanks :)


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Post by mt88 » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:32 pm

steamy-stream wrote:
MT88...
You the man! Thanks for all the feed back it helps all of the wannbe Streamers to choose whcih is the better car for them....


You are most welcome Mr Moderator :)

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Post by Bambino » Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:05 pm

i am also thinking of get either the stream or wish... but i gotta let go my current ride first.... i admit that the stream really caught my eye at an instant. and wish has a bigger room for the third row...after today's trip... i am left undecided.... how much bought the stream already and/or driving one already? comments?

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Post by mt88 » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:54 pm

Bambino wrote:i am also thinking of get either the stream or wish... but i gotta let go my current ride first.... i admit that the stream really caught my eye at an instant. and wish has a bigger room for the third row...after today's trip... i am left undecided.... how much bought the stream already and/or driving one already? comments?


Check with stream forum bros at

http://sgstream.org/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=83&sid=6f8895987cbcebe06d80145ad07fabab

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Post by mt88 » Sun May 13, 2007 5:02 pm

Update on latest Stream-X Safety Rating by National Agency for Automotive Safety & Victims' Aid Japan.

It is official: 6 Stars (equal to around 5 stars Euro or US std). 94.4% safe for driver during impact and about 92.8% safe for occupants. Not bad at all. This should bring lots of cheers to Stream users :)

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For more detail and video of it being tested, click on the url http://www.nasva.go.jp/mamoru/car/search/result01/1box_042.html

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Post by titank » Sun May 20, 2007 11:47 pm

Wow very good review on the Honda Stream & Toyota Wish. But I understand that 2nd Generation Toyota Wish is coming in 1st Quarter 2008, how is it going to compare with Honda Stream?

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Post by R20A » Mon May 21, 2007 8:02 am

good. toyota cannot make it. 1zz engine is slow.
andy wrote:Bro MT88

Nice review! I had tested both cars, my conclusion is to go for Stream! it has great handling and a slightly power engine !

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Post by reymund77 » Wed May 30, 2007 12:06 am

one of the better and detailed review I've read on Wish vs Stream....thanks.....any comparision done on old stream vs wish?
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Post by mt88 » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:51 am

reymund77 wrote:one of the better and detailed review I've read on Wish vs Stream....thanks.....any comparision done on old stream vs wish?


Thx. For prev gen stream review should ask the bros on SSOG forum

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Post by mt88 » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:52 am

Finally Official recognition http://motoring.asiaone.com/Motoring/News/Story/Stream%2Bbeats%2BWish%2Bas%2Btop%2Bgrey%2Bimport.html

Stream beats Wish as top grey import

THE Honda Stream has shot past the hitherto best-selling Toyota Wish to become the top parallel import model, as grey importers hit a record high by half-time compared to the same period last year.

In the first six months, the compact seven-seat MPV model from Honda whizzed past the perennial favourite from Toyota with sales of 1,926 units versus 1,866. The Wish has been the top grey import model here since it appeared in early 2003.

Overall, the Toyota brand still remained the favourite parallel import (PI), chalking up a total of 5,534 units or 47.9 per cent of total PI sales of 11,565 from January to June 2007, according to figures from the Land Transport Authority.

As usual, the Honda brand continued to be the runner-up, accounting for a combined 4,601 units or 39.8 per cent of all PI cars in the first half.

Together, Toyota and Honda account for almost nine out of every 10 parallel imports so far this year.

By all accounts, the PI industry is headed for another bumper year. The first six months of 2006 saw sales of 7,341 units, but at 11,565 units, the corresponding period this year is already 57.5 per cent higher than last year, and is fast closing in on 2006's total of 16,137 PI units.

Equally ominous is the proportion of PI cars registered against those sold by authorised distributors, represented here by the members of the Motor Traders Association of Singapore (MTA). Last year, there was one PI car for every six authorised versions. For the first half of 2007, it was 1-in-4.

Already, some distributors are feeling the heat, and they are not merely confined to those that compete head-to-head with parallel importers who sell the same brand. Apart from Toyota, Honda and Suzuki (the third most popular PI brand at a distant 842 units), other marques which are being hit include the Korean and mass market European brands.

Lower PI pricing is eating into Hyundai's market, for example. Together with the PI models' higher brand equity, they become more attractive than those from Korea.

The competition is having significant effects too. In the first six months, Hyundai's volume fell to 3,643 units, excluding 1,194 taxis, or almost 37 per cent down from the same period a year ago. Among MTA members, its ranking also fell from No4 to No5.

Some authorised distributors allege that parallel importers' lower prices are due to under-declaration of cost, insurance and freight (CIF). As lower CIF translates into lower OMV or open market value, this means that the parallel importers have a strong price advantage compared with authorised dealers.

At least one distributor is fighting back. Since the domestic Stream model was introduced here last September, authorised distributor Kah Motor has decided to homologate an export version of the car which is now available here with the required technical specifications.

However, the Honda Airwave (903 units) is still not available here. Neither are the Wish and Runx (743 units) from Borneo Motors Singapore. Strangely though, the third most popular PI model - after the Stream and Wish - is the Honda Fit. This Japanese domestic model found 952 buyers in the first half, even though it is an ageing model that can be bought as the Honda Jazz from Kah Motor.

Pricing could be one reason, while consumer indifference could be another.

A similar example is the Toyota Estima, which can be found at Borneo Motors as the Previa; and the Suzuki Swift Sport, a 1.6-litre model which is available at Champion Motors.

The Estima racked up 488 units while the Swift 1.6 found 190 buyers.

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