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Post by puffer71 » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:57 pm

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panaracer wrote: i alternately had e luxury to drive e 325 for a couple of wks every mth, w nice complimentary from a fellow accordian whenever he s outstation.......

from pick up, of course our R s mighter, esp at 2nd n 3rd gears from e lights.

the 6-cylinders 325 s not much of a puller, but i did try it even w ivan's CTR on SLE...... crusing at 100km/h, then we signalled to PULL, while i deep-depress e 325, i can see tat e CTR's head was only a headlamp in front of my, before disappearing into my (325) rear view mirror.

then on another occasion, i asked my frd to take out my euro R, n we ( i drove e 325) did e similar thing along TPE. results mirrored e above paragraph.

tats y i m very disappointed w 4-cylinders anymore...... of course, not mentioning other souped up euro Rs here; being e 325 s also stock w exhaust n air filter upgrades........

me driving at NSHW, e 325 gives me tat kindda different feel, compared to euro R...... whenever i need some pull, all i need to do n jus deep-depress, whereas my euro R needs to drop two gears manually, n count s seconds before engaging into e vtec zone.........

amongst all jpnese cars, this euro R s a beautifully crafted out masterpiece. but compared to e 325 & 335, i prefer to keep my comments to myself; read above.

tats y alfie n me r kicking our cars nowadays. once u touched a 325 (& above), u ll understand y i m writing all these....... if any euro R (even souped up ones) ever come across any BMW 335, my advise: stay clear of them! at their stock, they r enhanced w 310bhp & 400Nm from as low as 1400revolutions-per-min. get wat i mean?

i buay paiseh go n disturb a 335 las mth..... then stopped at e lights. jus secs b4 turn green, i blew some HKS music...... but once blinked GREEN, i can only see its exos smoked me out!!!!!!

imo, if i drive euro R, i ll only play w lancers, wrx, evos, CTRs, LGTs, 320, 323. once i spot 325/335/A5 etc........ i ll slow down. TRUST ME: jus only e 325's pulling power ll amaze many CL7s drivers. :idea: [/i]
argee with you total man...i drove a old 325 comvertible before (the old square model, think its E36 model) for about 2 weeks....the drive a amazing...the pick up like nobody biz...even at 140km, just step more and you can overtake easily...but the fuel comsumption also amazing....i becmae very good frens with the petrol stn ppl within 2 weeks...hahaha...:lol: :lol:
Bro, I share your sentiments about 4 cyl engines. You basically have to do tons to K20 to tear bimmer 335. But think about it, 335 cost I think 170 or 180K parallel? My guess.. fuel consumption wise, 335 I think higher as well. Fren got one and he's selling cos wife gave birth and not so friendly to infants. He mentioned that petrol worse than his previous WRX. Road tax higher as well.

I think when doing comparisons, we compare apple to apple. according to FIA, turbo charged engine capacity have to X 1.7 to be equivalent to NA cars. So, for 335 3L engine, its equivalent to 5.1L NA. They ought to tear CL7.

On the other hand, there r some CL7, FD2, DC5 out there who can easily tear 335 or even R8 (first few gears).

Have faith in Honda Vtec bro...

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Post by MrMurderman » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:23 pm

puffer71 wrote:
Bimmer wrote:
panaracer wrote: i alternately had e luxury to drive e 325 for a couple of wks every mth, w nice complimentary from a fellow accordian whenever he s outstation.......

from pick up, of course our R s mighter, esp at 2nd n 3rd gears from e lights.

the 6-cylinders 325 s not much of a puller, but i did try it even w ivan's CTR on SLE...... crusing at 100km/h, then we signalled to PULL, while i deep-depress e 325, i can see tat e CTR's head was only a headlamp in front of my, before disappearing into my (325) rear view mirror.

then on another occasion, i asked my frd to take out my euro R, n we ( i drove e 325) did e similar thing along TPE. results mirrored e above paragraph.

tats y i m very disappointed w 4-cylinders anymore...... of course, not mentioning other souped up euro Rs here; being e 325 s also stock w exhaust n air filter upgrades........

me driving at NSHW, e 325 gives me tat kindda different feel, compared to euro R...... whenever i need some pull, all i need to do n jus deep-depress, whereas my euro R needs to drop two gears manually, n count s seconds before engaging into e vtec zone.........

amongst all jpnese cars, this euro R s a beautifully crafted out masterpiece. but compared to e 325 & 335, i prefer to keep my comments to myself; read above.

tats y alfie n me r kicking our cars nowadays. once u touched a 325 (& above), u ll understand y i m writing all these....... if any euro R (even souped up ones) ever come across any BMW 335, my advise: stay clear of them! at their stock, they r enhanced w 310bhp & 400Nm from as low as 1400revolutions-per-min. get wat i mean?

i buay paiseh go n disturb a 335 las mth..... then stopped at e lights. jus secs b4 turn green, i blew some HKS music...... but once blinked GREEN, i can only see its exos smoked me out!!!!!!

imo, if i drive euro R, i ll only play w lancers, wrx, evos, CTRs, LGTs, 320, 323. once i spot 325/335/A5 etc........ i ll slow down. TRUST ME: jus only e 325's pulling power ll amaze many CL7s drivers. :idea: [/i]
argee with you total man...i drove a old 325 comvertible before (the old square model, think its E36 model) for about 2 weeks....the drive a amazing...the pick up like nobody biz...even at 140km, just step more and you can overtake easily...but the fuel comsumption also amazing....i becmae very good frens with the petrol stn ppl within 2 weeks...hahaha...:lol: :lol:
Bro, I share your sentiments about 4 cyl engines. You basically have to do tons to K20 to tear bimmer 335. But think about it, 335 cost I think 170 or 180K parallel? My guess.. fuel consumption wise, 335 I think higher as well. Fren got one and he's selling cos wife gave birth and not so friendly to infants. He mentioned that petrol worse than his previous WRX. Road tax higher as well.

I think when doing comparisons, we compare apple to apple. according to FIA, turbo charged engine capacity have to X 1.7 to be equivalent to NA cars. So, for 335 3L engine, its equivalent to 5.1L NA. They ought to tear CL7.

On the other hand, there r some CL7, FD2, DC5 out there who can easily tear 335 or even R8 (first few gears).

Have faith in Honda Vtec bro...
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Post by hifi1 » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:48 pm

Interesting read from pana. Agree with most he said except evo and sti cannot play with 325 and 335 :lol: :lol:
Why everything I like I cannot afford and LTA cannot passed?

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Post by panaracer » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:01 pm

hifi1 wrote:Interesting read from pana. Agree with most he said except evo and sti cannot play with 325 and 335 :lol: :lol:
bro chia, i cant read u leh......... care to rephrase?

anyway, i m not doing an apple to apple comparison. i was jus stating a personal preference tats all. of course, if to compare any 2.0litre car, euro R still tops my list. but it's jus tat personal preference tats all. none e hurting fact to anyone. :wink:

ha ha, i wont spend anymore $$ doing e car tat i kick every mrng, n wont even bother to wash anymore (since e las 2 mths). :roll:

to each his own, for me: s jus to wait awhile more......
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Post by puffer71 » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:39 pm

panaracer wrote: bro chia, i cant read u leh......... care to rephrase?

anyway, i m not doing an apple to apple comparison. i was jus stating a personal preference tats all. of course, if to compare any 2.0litre car, euro R still tops my list. but it's jus tat personal preference tats all. none e hurting fact to anyone. :wink:

ha ha, i wont spend anymore $$ doing e car tat i kick every mrng, n wont even bother to wash anymore (since e las 2 mths). :roll:

to each his own, for me: s jus to wait awhile more......
Bro, I know you are just voicing out your thoughts. :wink:

Many times, when in Sepang, I was lapped by faster turbo-charged cars. Even once by a Merc CLS55 AMG doing 2:20s. My thoughts were, if I were to drive more powerful cars, I'm sure to get faster lap timing?

Also, lots of times, I was offered to buy over some friends monsters: Evo 9 (568bhp), WRX Sti S204, and even a GTR35 (620bhp tuned by Jap Nismo gurus). It was very tempting! all done up, cheaper than if I get one and mod myself.

Then, i realise, they are of different league. NA, turbocharged and supercars etc. For now, with my ride, at least I'm in the 10 seconds gap with the fast CTR, DC5 etc. Evos n WRX timing are 2:14 to 2:15 (Lester/Desmond Soh). Super wide bodied time attack machines. AKA the big boys. Fat chance for me!

If one day I strike toto, buy one of those monsters, can I break those timings? Guess not. Dun have the balls big enough to drive at those speed and fly thru corners. Slight mistake, I have to hand over my IC to the govt!

There will always be fast cars around. There's always one mountain higher than another mountain.

Sometimes, we may have the best and fastest car around. But do we actually use it to its full potential? Like mobile phones, many of us buy the best and latest phone available, but do we actually use all the functions and features of the phone? Nope. We just use the basic function of the phone and we would be better off getting a normal phone! Saves money too!! hehehehe

One man's meat is another man's poison.

Happy hunting bro! :wink: :wink:

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Post by aust1n » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:04 am

Does the Spoon or the J's Racing ECU mess up with the CL7R's electronics i.e. lights on/off etc?

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Post by ml2spin » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:11 am

aust1n wrote:Does the Spoon or the J's Racing ECU mess up with the CL7R's electronics i.e. lights on/off etc?
They should not.
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Post by hifi1 » Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:50 am

panaracer wrote:
hifi1 wrote:Interesting read from pana. Agree with most he said except evo and sti cannot play with 325 and 335 :lol: :lol:
bro chia, i cant read u leh......... care to rephrase?

anyway, i m not doing an apple to apple comparison. i was jus stating a personal preference tats all. of course, if to compare any 2.0litre car, euro R still tops my list. but it's jus tat personal preference tats all. none e hurting fact to anyone. :wink:

ha ha, i wont spend anymore $$ doing e car tat i kick every mrng, n wont even bother to wash anymore (since e las 2 mths). :roll:

to each his own, for me: s jus to wait awhile more......
Hehehe

For me, even I get 335 still kenna makan by others mi no balls.....

Still I understand where pana coming from... our car really no torque, must drag until jialat jialat then can compare with higher cc car or TC car...even ordinary driving sometime lazy just step oso no use, have to down shift
for 325 or 335, no need lah just step....

Still there is something in Cl7r that appeals to me, thats why scared change liao regret.... at least I know this car inside out liao.... others cannot be perfect sekali later I find out the weakness is worse than CL7R then how??

so no $$$ just drive first lor, and I wash at least once a week and polish once a mth hor :lol:
Why everything I like I cannot afford and LTA cannot passed?

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Post by panaracer » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:07 am

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panaracer wrote:
hifi1 wrote:Interesting read from pana. Agree with most he said except evo and sti cannot play with 325 and 335 :lol: :lol:
bro chia, i cant read u leh......... care to rephrase?

anyway, i m not doing an apple to apple comparison. i was jus stating a personal preference tats all. of course, if to compare any 2.0litre car, euro R still tops my list. but it's jus tat personal preference tats all. none e hurting fact to anyone. :wink:

ha ha, i wont spend anymore $$ doing e car tat i kick every mrng, n wont even bother to wash anymore (since e las 2 mths). :roll:

to each his own, for me: s jus to wait awhile more......
Hehehe

For me, even I get 335 still kenna makan by others mi no balls.....

Still I understand where pana coming from... our car really no torque, must drag until jialat jialat then can compare with higher cc car or TC car...even ordinary driving sometime lazy just step oso no use, have to down shift
for 325 or 335, no need lah just step....

Still there is something in Cl7r that appeals to me, thats why scared change liao regret.... at least I know this car inside out liao.... others cannot be perfect sekali later I find out the weakness is worse than CL7R then how??

so no $$$ just drive first lor, and I wash at least once a week and polish once a mth hor :lol:
no wonder las wed evening saw u travelling along circular rd, yr car kilat kilat. hmmm.......... i know u ve driven e euro r longer than most (if not all) owners. but i ve driven e Vtec series since 1998 (EG9), B-series........ till today, i ve nvr owned other cars.

so i guess enuf s enuf, more than a decade of same engine..... to me, put an open pod (CAI) in K-series, n it ll behave like a B-series.

time for my own change. hey, i m not saying euro r no good, tis s very subjective, but jus tat i ve got enuf of it!

may GOD's lightning strike a big tree n smash onto my car :pray: :pray: :pray:
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Post by Louis V » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:34 am

Pana, many used 335 in the market now leh.... even saw a used imported M3 coupe..... :wink:

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Post by trd_rg » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:08 am

panaracer wrote: may GOD's lightning strike a big tree n smash onto my car :pray: :pray: :pray:
no need pray to GOD, pass your car to me, i will total lost it for you. Gum boh?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Bimmer » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:26 pm

panaracer wrote: no wonder las wed evening saw u travelling along circular rd, yr car kilat kilat. hmmm.......... i know u ve driven e euro r longer than most (if not all) owners. but i ve driven e Vtec series since 1998 (EG9), B-series........ till today, i ve nvr owned other cars.

so i guess enuf s enuf, more than a decade of same engine..... to me, put an open pod (CAI) in K-series, n it ll behave like a B-series.

time for my own change. hey, i m not saying euro r no good, tis s very subjective, but jus tat i ve got enuf of it!

may GOD's lightning strike a big tree n smash onto my car :pray: :pray: :pray:
bro, i know how you feel...i think its normal...after a while...you are sick of the current thing...u need something new to freshen you up....

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Post by Speed-R » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:26 pm

panaracer wrote:
hifi1 wrote:
panaracer wrote: bro chia, i cant read u leh......... care to rephrase?

anyway, i m not doing an apple to apple comparison. i was jus stating a personal preference tats all. of course, if to compare any 2.0litre car, euro R still tops my list. but it's jus tat personal preference tats all. none e hurting fact to anyone. :wink:

ha ha, i wont spend anymore $$ doing e car tat i kick every mrng, n wont even bother to wash anymore (since e las 2 mths). :roll:

to each his own, for me: s jus to wait awhile more......
Hehehe

For me, even I get 335 still kenna makan by others mi no balls.....

Still I understand where pana coming from... our car really no torque, must drag until jialat jialat then can compare with higher cc car or TC car...even ordinary driving sometime lazy just step oso no use, have to down shift
for 325 or 335, no need lah just step....

Still there is something in Cl7r that appeals to me, thats why scared change liao regret.... at least I know this car inside out liao.... others cannot be perfect sekali later I find out the weakness is worse than CL7R then how??

so no $$$ just drive first lor, and I wash at least once a week and polish once a mth hor :lol:
no wonder las wed evening saw u travelling along circular rd, yr car kilat kilat. hmmm.......... i know u ve driven e euro r longer than most (if not all) owners. but i ve driven e Vtec series since 1998 (EG9), B-series........ till today, i ve nvr owned other cars.

so i guess enuf s enuf, more than a decade of same engine..... to me, put an open pod (CAI) in K-series, n it ll behave like a B-series.

time for my own change. hey, i m not saying euro r no good, tis s very subjective, but jus tat i ve got enuf of it!

may GOD's lightning strike a big tree n smash onto my car :pray: :pray: :pray:
Bro, dun need God strike mah...if really want to change, I can do it for you :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by aust1n » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:31 pm

Guys, I need your feedback on the below keeping in mind that I am still considering whether to swap a Spoon or a J's Racing ECU and keep everything else stock on my CL7R.

I have been told that the Spoon ECU is designed to work with an upgraded intake and exhaust (including headers) and has the fuel / ignition maps set accordingly. Therefore if you modify it further (i.e. cams, or forced induction) it will not adjust itself as freely as the J's Racing ECU - which is designed to adapt to more engine modifications.

Therefore if everything is stock it may be best to go with J's Racing because it will apply a setting relevant to having a stock intake and stock exhaust, where as the Spoon ECU assumes you already have this done.

Thanks a lot!

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Post by aust1n » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:12 pm

Anyone?

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