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Post by ShaunSG » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:41 pm

Everyone is entitled to opinions. How well supported those opinions are by actual facts, varies. Certain topics ask for subjective opinion, others purely objective fact. Many are in between and require a blend. But when a blend is required, the least try to somewhat support opinion with some evidence, in the absence of absolute proof.

"What do you think of the 458 Spyder's shape?" is very different from "How quickly does the Spyder accelerate?". Answering latter with, "It's so so, but I like the 570 Spyder better because it sounds better." is pretty useless.
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Post by EKen4 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:00 pm

ShaunSG wrote:Everyone is entitled to opinions. How well supported those opinions are by actual facts, varies. Certain topics ask for subjective opinion, others purely objective fact. Many are in between and require a blend. But when a blend is required, the least try to somewhat support opinion with some evidence, in the absence of absolute proof.

"What do you think of the 458 Spyder's shape?" is very different from "How quickly does the Spyder accelerate?". Answering latter with, "It's so so, but I like the 570 Spyder better because it sounds better." is pretty useless.
ShaunSG, you are doing exactly what you set out to stop youri from; off topic. There are too many things to prove in life. Keep it simple.

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Post by ShaunSG » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:14 pm

Only in the hope for better threads in the future.

Threadstarter just confirmed he doesn't mind OTs.
Why pick on just mine? :) You're not keeping things simple with an even handed approach.

Still waiting for anyone to bring it back with some sort of info. Here I'll even help. Dome...Mugen... but that's about it... Any more?
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Post by fastfatdude » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:52 am

americans may know a thing or two about racing.. but they definitely know crap about making money from manufacturing cars...

maybe ALL the talent went to making cars go faster... haha... too bad it didn't translate to making their Chevrolet badged Daewoos better.


ShaunSG wrote:The cars each side builds and develop are a result of economics, geography, govt policy. The US is very practical and independent. It is also one of the few major high performance and racing center internationally, with production and race industry much older than Japan, and much closely integrated with other centers in the UK, EU.

Before criticizing any car, you have to make sure you understand what big picture is and what the car is targeted at. All suspension systems are compromised, just to different levels for different factors.

On the engine side, you have to understand the difference between efficiency and specific output, and what the goals are engine wise for any class of car. Specific output has very little to do with any of it unless you create regulations to push it that way.

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When it comes to high performance and racing, there is no comparison. Look at all the international racing that Japan has done and how they've fared and with how much money. Count only the efforts that did not involve huge reliance on foreign expertise (UK, GER, etc).

Can anyone list the Japanese equivalents of Swift Engineering, Penske dampers, Pratt & Miller, Riley Technologies, Del West, Katech, Elan Motorsport Techologies, Carrillo, Stohr, Hyperco?

Where is the Japanese foreign talent in the US, UK, GER, teams? Like say Brad Kettler (USA) for Audi (GER)? Or Divila (BRZ) and Bowlby (UK, now USA) for Nissan (JPN)? Also talk to any somewhat experienced engineer from any other major high perf or auto racing center in the world, who has worked in Japan for at least a year and see what they have to say.

If anyone thinks American racing is all NASCAR, or that NASCAR is low tech, unskilled, low/no engineering, just going in circles, then they are simply ignorant. NASCAR is one of the only arenas that has the requirement and budget to get some of top minds in racing.

BTW it is because of Ed Iskenderian that the industry measures cams at .050", because of Dan Gurney that there are gurney flaps on almost every downforce car around the world today. etc. etc.
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Post by ShaunSG » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:10 pm

The recently deceased Milliken... American

http://www.bentleypublishers.com/ludvig ... graphy.htm

There's a lot more in that 8 year old article, but this is cool..
How seriously is Milliken's work taken? When Ferrari's racing department conducted an audit recently it rounded up 14 copies of his Race Car Vehicle Dynamics, written with his son Doug. When major race teams simulate lap times to plan their race strategy they use a computer program developed by Bill's Milliken Research Associates. Decades of Bill's inputs and analyses have provided the basis for GM's understanding of vehicle dynamics. Major racing organizations and companies like DaimlerChrysler pay five-figure sums for his analytical programs.

As well, Bill Milliken played a key role in the wide use that Lotus gained for its experimental active suspension system. When car makers need their sports-utilities tested for their rollover propensities, they turn to the Millikens. In 2002 Bill won GM's Innovations Prize and wowed the spectators at Goodwood in England with his slope-wheeled "Camber Car." And just to put the icing on the cake, Bill helped an associate create the world's most astonishing auto stunt, the barrel-roll of an AMC Javelin over a river in the James Bond movie Man with a Golden Gun.
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